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		<title>By: The Guardian’s “Climategate” debate: a mixed blessing &#187; Climate Safety</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-1391</link>
		<dc:creator>The Guardian’s “Climategate” debate: a mixed blessing &#187; Climate Safety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guardian’s recent “Climategate” event – picking over the fallout from UEA’s hacked emails – was always going to be a weird one, and I left with decidedly mixed impressions. For some, this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Guardian’s recent “Climategate” event – picking over the fallout from UEA’s hacked emails – was always going to be a weird one, and I left with decidedly mixed impressions. For some, this […]</p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay maybe I was unfairly harsh on Monbiot. But I wish he would explain the context in which these emails took place. That is what the public are missing. It is as if they walked into a pub to see a guy punch a second guy, but they didn&#039;t witness the second before when the second guy hit the first. 

Climate science has taken place in a state of seige. Some people may have done some minor things wrong, but could it possibly NOT affect you when whatever you do is grabbed by dishonest people and misrepresented all over the internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay maybe I was unfairly harsh on Monbiot. But I wish he would explain the context in which these emails took place. That is what the public are missing. It is as if they walked into a pub to see a guy punch a second guy, but they didn’t witness the second before when the second guy hit the first. </p>
<p>Climate science has taken place in a state of seige. Some people may have done some minor things wrong, but could it possibly NOT affect you when whatever you do is grabbed by dishonest people and misrepresented all over the internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Tobis wrote a great piece on this, it included the following:

What Was Actually Revealed

        * a rehash of a well-known controversy about how to present tree-ring data
        * frustration about too much attention to substandard scientific papers slipped into the literature by marginally qualified people with nonscientific agendas, and discussions about how to handle that
        * frustration about opposition by filibuster via freedom of information requests
        * a single suggestion about “deleting emails”, without any context, which plausibly does not refer to deleting emails from a server (scientists are probably aware that end users cannot really do this) but rather to deleting them from a response to one of many FOIA requests
        * some sloppy code and a pretty sad but perfectly typical lack of understanding of the advantages of dynamic programming languages
        * a couple of fudge factors explicitly labeled as such probably used in testing, commented out
        * some older data for which CRU is not the originator or primary repository is not in any known dataset at CRU
        * about 985 emails and 1995 other files of no apparent interest to anyone

    In other words, (withe the possible exception of the email deletion incident, which I imagine the lawyers are fretting about) the only things remotely unusual here are a direct consequence of the existence of a politically rather than scientifically motivated opposition.

From: http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/12/bug-report.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Tobis wrote a great piece on this, it included the following:</p>
<p>What Was Actually Revealed</p>
<p>        * a rehash of a well-known controversy about how to present tree-ring data<br />
        * frustration about too much attention to substandard scientific papers slipped into the literature by marginally qualified people with nonscientific agendas, and discussions about how to handle that<br />
        * frustration about opposition by filibuster via freedom of information requests<br />
        * a single suggestion about “deleting emails”, without any context, which plausibly does not refer to deleting emails from a server (scientists are probably aware that end users cannot really do this) but rather to deleting them from a response to one of many FOIA requests<br />
        * some sloppy code and a pretty sad but perfectly typical lack of understanding of the advantages of dynamic programming languages<br />
        * a couple of fudge factors explicitly labeled as such probably used in testing, commented out<br />
        * some older data for which CRU is not the originator or primary repository is not in any known dataset at CRU<br />
        * about 985 emails and 1995 other files of no apparent interest to anyone</p>
<p>    In other words, (withe the possible exception of the email deletion incident, which I imagine the lawyers are fretting about) the only things remotely unusual here are a direct consequence of the existence of a politically rather than scientifically motivated opposition.</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/12/bug-report.html" rel="nofollow">http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/12/bug-report.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monbiot is innocent.  He was not the only one seemingly behind the curve on covering this.  The whole climate change community seemed slow to react.  Instant response is necessary, particular against such weak material as the denialists use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monbiot is innocent.  He was not the only one seemingly behind the curve on covering this.  The whole climate change community seemed slow to react.  Instant response is necessary, particular against such weak material as the denialists use.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent summing up. Nice one. I will direct people here. 

I found the whole episode morbidly depressing. Mass hysteria and a whole conspiracy narrative created around- basically nothing at all. 

On this George Monbiot sadly has a lot to answer for. He really hasn&#039;t helped. He read something which he didn&#039;t understand and panicked. He should have known better, or at least he should retract it now. 

Josie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent summing up. Nice one. I will direct people here. </p>
<p>I found the whole episode morbidly depressing. Mass hysteria and a whole conspiracy narrative created around– basically nothing at all. </p>
<p>On this George Monbiot sadly has a lot to answer for. He really hasn’t helped. He read something which he didn’t understand and panicked. He should have known better, or at least he should retract it now. </p>
<p>Josie</p>
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		<title>By: flöschen</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>flöschen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Although I&#039;ve read about this on RealClimate before (and several other articles) it&#039;s nice to have all in one place with that sound explanations. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Although I’ve read about this on RealClimate before (and several other articles) it’s nice to have all in one place with that sound explanations. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Andrews</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post, thanks for taking the time to write it. I&#039;d like some comments from the denialists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post, thanks for taking the time to write it. I’d like some comments from the denialists!</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin</title>
		<link>http://climatesafety.org/climategate-a-briefer/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA, you make my sides hurt. The jig is up and we know your agenda. Now we know what &quot;peer-reviewed&quot; really means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA, you make my sides hurt. The jig is up and we know your agenda. Now we know what “peer-reviewed” really means.</p>
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